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  • 11-25-2007 12:02 AM

    Copying HTML Script into Qxpress 6.5

    I'm on the verge of tears.

    I think I'm trying to do something that can't be done with this program...

    All I'm trying to do is copy the HTML script from the WeatherNetwork so I can add it to my webpage that I designed with my Quark.

    I've searched Quark help and internet for hours and ended up ... here.

    Is it possible to add html script to my web page using 6.5? And if so ... how?

    Please and thanks.
  • 11-25-2007 10:41 PM In reply to

    • thing
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    Copying HTML Script into Qxpress 6.5

    As far as I know, though I've never tried since I don't use XPress for web stuff, you can't access the code directly in Quark.

    I'd recommend a basic HTML editor - there are plenty of free ones around. On the Mac I use Taco HTML Edit. Nice little program.

    Or a text editor if you don't care about syntax markup - but make sure you edit in plain text, not rich text, mode!

    Good luck,

    Greg
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  • 11-28-2007 5:49 PM In reply to

    Copying HTML Script into Qxpress 6.5

    Hi Mike,

    Thing is correct, right now you can't place raw HTML in a web layout and have it function. The layout will think its simply text.

    Things reccomendation is probably the best way to go... using a simple HTML editor like BBEdit or even notepad or textedit to manually place the HTML you want to embed. Be sure to keep a copy of your origional HTML file in case the changes you make aren't what you wanted to do, you can start over.

    Hope that helps!
    Drew Bartlett (Quark)
    Technical Product Management - Desktop
  • 01-15-2008 5:51 AM In reply to

    Copying HTML Script into Qxpress 6.5

    Hi Drew,

    I've just finished a site in Quark and thought it would be a bright idea to have Google Ad's placed on it. Like others I found that doesn't happen with Quark as .html must be placed in the source code. Googles website help suggests that ones ISP may have features such as API (advanced programming interface) or an 'integrated adsense offering." I searched GoDaddy (my ISP) and didn't find anything to the effect.

    I copied Quarks source code from my index page and pasted it into Taco. The preview brought up, well, a mess--but the links worked. Are you suggesting, though, that the Quark-written .html can be edited in textedit for instance (I've written some .html in that successfully) and then reposted? Can you share more of this work-around?

    As well, I went to W3C's website. They offer to test websites for compatibility with html 4.0 transitional. One of my sites (www.jazztextart.com) failed on 19 counts and I felt that each of them was something that I would have to intervene upon in an html editor.
  • 01-15-2008 2:29 PM In reply to

    Copying HTML Script into Qxpress 6.5

    Craig Hines:
    Are you suggesting, though, that the Quark-written .html can be edited in textedit for instance (I've written some .html in that successfully) and then reposted? Can you share more of this work-around?


    Any HTML can be edited. The problem with Quark HTML is that there is little meaningful structure to the HTML. This makes editing very difficult and often makes the web designer turn to another web design tool.

    You might try designing your page in QuarkXPress with a placeholder image or text block where Google's ads should appear. This may help with a find/replace after QuarkXPress exports the HTML. Keep in mind that this technique must be repeated each time that you edit the page in QuarkXPress.
  • 01-24-2008 3:02 AM In reply to

    Copying HTML Script into Qxpress 6.5

    Jim, I tip my hat to you. Below is how I used your suggestion to make Google Ads work. Thank you.

    I set a 160x600pxl (same size as a Google ad box) text box where I wanted the ads to go. I put a keyword to search (GoogleAd) in the box. I exported the entire site again and posted it to the server. From the www site I copied the source and pasted it into textedit. I searched for the key word (GoogleAd) and replaced that with the Google code. I saved as Index.htm and replaced the home page on the server. Voila! The ads are right where I want them to be. Check it out: www.losttonalcenter.com. . . as convoluted as Quarks .html is, it can be used with Google ads. No need for css (w3c approved) or html tables.
    Best regards,
    Craig
  • 01-24-2008 7:54 PM In reply to

    Copying HTML Script into Qxpress 6.5

    That's pretty impressive! (genius)

    Ok I'm going to try and duplicate that and will get back to you. (fingers crossed)
  • 03-31-2008 11:08 AM In reply to

    Copying HTML Script into Qxpress 6.5

    I've been using Dreamweaver 3 for a number of years to do basic websites, but my favourite software, being from a print background, is QuarkXPress, so I'm well familiar with all aspects of it.

    However, I recently upgraded to Adobe CS3, and Dreamweaver just ain't what it used to be, so I think I would like to swap to Quark for all of my web work.

    Unfortunately I really don't know what Quark CANNOT do that Dreamweaver can, so it would be very useful if someone could compile me a summary of its shortcomings in terms of web design and function. I'm hoping that these shortcomings will not be major problems, but it's as well to know in advance of committing myself.

    Anybody able to help me, please?
    Britsmith
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  • 03-31-2008 12:19 PM In reply to

    • thing
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    Copying HTML Script into Qxpress 6.5

    I'd suggest, first and foremost, Quark can't let you edit the code easily. DW, obviously, can.

    Then there's all the templates for different styles of website, CSS, templating, integration with Contribute (a sort of CMS - Contribute users can edit DW created sites), 'plug-in' off the shelf code for nearly everything and anything, the fact that DW is designed to do websites but Quark isn't, the code is cleaner, there's testing for W3C compliancy and accessibility built in, the list goes on.

    Sorry, but it's a no brainer - if you want to do websites use a package that's designed for it, unless you want to learn coding.

    If, by the way, you like DW but don't want to pay out for it look at Nvu. That's free open-source stuff and very similar.

    Or Freeway - for my money the best WYSIWYG site developer with the bonus of still letting you access the code.

    The problem is, if you're from a print background as I am, websites are very, very different - not just in terms of them being RGB and fluid but also in design terms. What works in print won't on the web. It's a whole different ballpark. And for my money the best way to approach that is with something designed to do it from word one.

    Having said all that I have seen 1 decent Quark created site - can't remember the URL but it's on these forums somewhere. It shines above all the others listed as examples.

    Good luck!

    Greg
    I think therefore I am, you're pink therefore you're spam
  • 03-31-2008 12:57 PM In reply to

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    Hi Greg,

    Yes, I think the problem is that Dreamweaver DOES do everything, and is therefore so complicated, and it all has to be re-learned. Whereas I could draw a text frame in DW3, I now cannot (or can't find out how) in the CS3 version (which I have fully licensed as part of the suite), and it's now even further away from DTP than ever.

    What I like about Quark is that I can design the page exactly as I want it, using Quark's many design features, and when it comes to exporting the HTML it does it all for me - round-cornered boxes, drop-shadows, style sheets that work, (as opposed to CSSs that never have done what I wanted them to), transparency features, percentage colours, graduated fills, all the controls over graphics in terms of size and cropping; in fact this list goes on and on too. I don't need to think about coding, as it's all done at the end of the process, and if something doesn't work as code Quark converts it to graphics.

    I really don't care how clean the code is, as long as it works in the up-to-date browsers. Who checks postscript files nowadays to see what's in them? I remember some folks who would write their own postscript files from scratch. Hopefully one day we can consign HTML manual coding to the Boffins' Memoirs, but I get the impression that the industry has a vested interest in keeping it alive and kicking.

    Obviously I'm approaching this from a beginners' perspective, but even when I look at beginners' guides I find the language is far from ordinary English, and I just don't have the time or inclination - let alone the memory at my age - to take it all in; yet I really do like to create websites for folks. I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place!
    Britsmith
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    iMac • 3.06Ghz • 4Gb RAM • OS 10.6.7 • QuarkXPress 8.5
    PC WinXP • QuarkXPress 8.5 • Adobe CS5
  • 03-31-2008 1:27 PM In reply to

    • thing
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    Copying HTML Script into Qxpress 6.5

    I do get and understand your point and frustrations and would again suggest you look at Freeway.

    Personally I've found DW CS3 to be as easy to use as previous versions, but then it was a hell of an initial learning curve.

    Freeway could well be more up your street.

    My problem with Quark and its poor code is compliancy and accessibility. Both are things that shouldn't be over-looked. The thing is, as you say, sometimes the CSS doesn't do what you want, but the fact is it may do what you want in one browser and not in another - that's bad. You need to learn more about how to make a site work in all browsers in a manner you want unless you're content to have a 'shop window' that only those that don't wear glasses can see. I think that's a good analogy because a site that doesn't work reliably in all browsers is, effectively, only available to some users.

    Accessibility is also an important, though mostly overlooked, issue. Again, an inaccessible site is just that - a site some can't use.

    And as you'll be well aware anyone who can't use your site, won't use your services.

    Then there's the code - sure it matters less, and purists will say DW's code is too verbose, but it does still matter to a degree. Speed of loading is very important even with broadband being more common. The trick is to design to the lowest common denominator so thinking it terms of how fast a site will load on dial-up is more important. And every Quark generated site I've seen is slow enough to make me leave before it's loaded fully. Remember web users are notoriously impatient.

    Sure, Quark can do all the things you're asking of it, with you requiring very little new learning. But then think back to when you started using Quark professionally - you needed to learn truck loads about how things will and won't work, didn't you. It's the same with doing stuff for the web. Frankly I don't see how one can expect a predominantly print design based package to excel at anything else and since Quark no longer excels at all I'd still maintain they should drop the web side of it and fix the print side. I understand the 'utopian' view of a perfect program that can create a piece then re-purpose it for any medium, but I can't see it happening without each piece being a mess.

    So I'd say you're not stuck between a rock and a hard place as you suggest, but instead not quite looking in the right place. Forget Quark unless you really, really want to go that route and look at other packages (including free ones) that can produce a much more slick end result. Try Freeway, look at Nvu, hell you could even look at Joomla (joomla.org) which is a CMS and uses templates to build dynamic websites from a database. Most of my sites now are done through that and man it's easy. Plus they meet all the criteria I use - compliancy so they work reliably and accessibility so all can use them.

    Good luck mate, it's fun learning new stuff!

    Greg
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  • 03-31-2008 9:36 PM In reply to

    Copying HTML Script into Qxpress 6.5

    I'll mention two things that quark won't handle/export correctly. But this was with Quark 6.5, I've since upgraded to 7.1 and haven't re-tried either of these two these things.

    1. you can't rotate a picture and have it export correctly. You need to keep the picture box unrotated. Come to think of it, I don't think I tried rotating the picture within the box, but I know that 6.5 you couldn't rotate the box and have it export the way it shows on screen, instead you get an extra white background where the box would have been if it was straight.

    2. you can't have more than one cascading pop-up menu on a web page. Again, I haven't tried this with 7.1, but in 6.5 you could only have 1. If you tried to add more, only one would pop up, the others just wouldn't show up.

    Other than that, I haven't run into anything it can't do.

    As a graphic artist I don't ever want to edit code, ever, so I don't care if it doesn't mark up the code nicely.

    I commend Quark for attempting to bring sanity to, and revolutionize, web page building.

    Just as a graphic artist shouldn't be expected to create a simple flyer by hand coding a postscript file, neither should one be expected to create a web page by hand coding HTML. Way to go Quark!
  • 04-01-2008 8:15 AM In reply to

    • thing
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    Copying HTML Script into Qxpress 6.5

    Sorry, I disagree.

    Whilst I praise Quark for QID as it is, without doubt, easier to use than Flash itself, the web design side of XPress is not great and produces clunky, non-compliant, unreliable, inaccessible websites unless you put in an awful lot of work to sort it out - more than is realistic.

    Since XPress no longer excels at anything - print or web work - shouldn't 'they' concentrate on making the program a true competitor at its root use (DTP) then add web stuff later, ideally as a plug in option?

    Rather than bog a program down with a whole heap of things it can't do well, surely it's better to make it do one thing superbly then add bells and whistles?

    Greg
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  • 04-01-2008 10:38 AM In reply to

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    Copying HTML Script into Qxpress 6.5

    Printhead – Exported rotated images seem to work fine in Quark 7 – no ghost boxes left behind. Not sure about multiple cascading wotsits as I haven't tried that.

    One thing you can't do easily is to have your web page centre in the browser. There are work rounds but I haven't found them to be very satisfactory. I'm hoping that's something that will be rectified with the next upgrade.
  • 04-01-2008 7:43 PM In reply to

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    I thought that centering a page in the browser was an un-user-friendly, and therefore undesirable, behavior in the world of html? I know that over 90% of the web sites I visit don't center in the browser.

    Quark has what I think is a nice habit of not allowing users to do things they shouldn't be doing. For instance, for years and years and years I heard people complain about the fact that when using automatic page numbering, they couldn't start their page numbers with page one on the left hand side. But that is how it should be, page numbering never starts with page one on the left hand side, so quark would simply not allow it.

    I'm not suggesting that this is why you can't center a page in the browser with quark, but I'm wondering.

    But I am glad I can now rotate pictures, thanks.
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