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Last post 04-27-2009 11:13 AM by eyoungren. 6 replies.
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  • 04-24-2009 12:38 PM

    importing pdfs

     So people keep saying that eps is a "dead" format and we should only be using pdf files now. I keep trying to comply with this new wisdom, but I keep finding again and again that eps is just faster and creates far fewer problems for my workflow.

    We receive most of our ads from clients as pdfs. But I have a number of problems with most of them.  First, most of them won't import into Quark as a pdf. I can solve that by saving down from Acrobat Professional to Acrobat 5 compatibility. Then (2), when I open the import dialog, the preview and options take 3-4 times as long to load up as for an eps. I have to sit and wait for everything to show up properly before OK-ing the import. And I can't just hit Return and trust it will import properly, because (3), when I import, I have to be careful to select the appropriate "bounding box." If I'm too quick, I miss it, and the ad comes in without bleed. Then finally (4), after importing the pdf, when I'm done with my file and need to send the whole story off to press as a final pdf, about 30%-40% of the time having a pdf in my document will cause Quark to crash when printing to pdf.

    The only issue I have with eps files is that on occasion they flatten improperly, forcing random bits of text to bitmap and ruin the page.

    So my question is:

    a. What advantage is there to using the pdf file that outweighs all these interruptions to my workflow?

    Assuming there are practical advantages, or just for the sake of keeping current, I'd be happy to use the pdfs as is without converting to eps, but I'd really like to find out:

    b. Why does Quark crash so often when trying to write a pdf containing a nested pdf file? Is there a way to stop that? I've tried this from several computers with the same problem, so I assume it's an issue with Quark and/or Acrobat, not something specific to a single computer. (OPI is not being used, if that matters)

     c. Is there a way to change the default in the import dialog to always use the bleed bounding box, so I don't have to sit and wait for all the options to show up, and meticulously select a specific bounding box option every time I import an ad?

     (Quark 7.3,  OS X 10.4.11, 2 x 2.66 Dual-Core Intel Xeon)

  • 04-24-2009 1:12 PM In reply to

    Re: importing pdfs

     Sorry to start with a flawed analagy, but its a little like if a person is allergic to strawberries, and asking if its the person's fault or the strawberries. The person can eat other things (like your Quark can process eps's), and other people can eat strawberries (like if your printed directly from the supplied PDFs), so why can't they work together?

    OK, enough with that nonsense. I think that pretty much any program that prints can create PDFs these days, and the quality of those PDFs can vary greatly. Since you don't have control over the PDFs you receive, you may need to use a preflight program to see what possible issues these PDFs have, and either fix them yourself, or (if you get ads consistently from the same sources), advise them on ways to make their PDFs better. I've worked with service bureaus that sent my company distiller settings, and once you make a preset, you just have to choose it from the list.

    Sorry that I can't recommend a good preflighter for PDFs (I haven't used one personally), but I'm sure you will find lots of advise if you look around. Maybe the Acrobat forum would be a good place to look also (but don't be surprised if you find some amount of Quark-bashing on an Adobe site).

  • 04-24-2009 1:56 PM In reply to

    Re: importing pdfs

    I preflight with Acrobat Professional. Works great, but unless I know what's causing the problem I can't check for it and fix it. I have no idea what causes so many pdfs to crash Quark.

    Since most pdfs won't import without saving down to 5.0, (and most clients' ads contain mulititudes of other things that need to be fixed) most of these ads have been resaved anyway. If I can find out how to re-save the pdf so it's always compatible with Quark I'll do that. That's what I'm hoping (not too optimistically) to discover here.

    I typically use the "simplify pdf" tool to save it down to Acrobat 5, from Acrobat Professional. There's probably something in the file that crashes Quark, that I could fix at this stage. It may be something simple. Adobe's forums are of no use since the'll just tell me Quark is the wrong program, anyway.

     (Also, for the record, we can't send the pdfs directly to press from the client. Not only do most require color space, crop, dimension, and other fixes, but our printer has specific parameters for supplied pdfs that I guarantee our clients will never comprehend or follow. In addition, the ads need to fit within multi-page layouts, and a lot of them are fractional ads which of course need to be placed within pages. If I use pdf files at all it's necessary to import them into our Quark documents.)

  • 04-24-2009 3:41 PM In reply to

    Re: importing pdfs

    In case it helps, here's a bug report from a pdf related crash:

     

    \Date/Time:      2009-04-24 14:39:21.011 -0700
    OS Version:     10.4.11 (Build 8S2167)
    Report Version: 4

    Command: QuarkXPress
    Path:    /Applications/QuarkXPress 7.3/QuarkXPress.app/Contents/MacOS/QuarkXPress
    Parent:  WindowServer [61]

    Version: 7.3.0 (7.3.0)

    PID:    2432
    Thread: 0

    Exception:  EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0x0001)
    Codes:      KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE (0x0002) at 0x00000018

    Thread 0 Crashed:
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    1   libQuarkPDF.XC.r.dylib             0x283ff340 initcolour + 125
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    4   libQuarkPDF.XC.r.dylib             0x283f862e intloop + 74
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    6   libQuarkPDF.XC.r.dylib             0x284c8b04 dps_timeslice + 87
    7   libQuarkPDF.XC.r.dylib             0x2846a8e6 postscript_eof + 122
    8   libQuarkPDF.XC.r.dylib             0x2846a959 postscript_halt + 58
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    72  com.quark.QuarkXPress              0x000025ce _start + 216
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    Thread 1:
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    1   ...ple.CoreServices.CarbonCore     0x90406e50 TSWaitOnSemaphoreCommon + 163
    2   ...ple.CoreServices.CarbonCore     0x9040de2c TimerThread + 87
    3   libSystem.B.dylib                  0x90023d67 _pthread_body + 84

    Thread 2:
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    1   ...ple.CoreServices.CarbonCore     0x903ddd08 PrivateMPEntryPoint + 51
    2   libSystem.B.dylib                  0x90023d67 _pthread_body + 84

    Thread 3:
    0   libSystem.B.dylib                  0x90024407 semaphore_wait_signal_trap + 7
    1   ...ple.CoreServices.CarbonCore     0x903ddeae MPWaitOnQueue + 198
    2   com.apple.DesktopServices          0x90992943 TNodeSyncTask::SyncTaskProc(void*) + 143
    3   ...ple.CoreServices.CarbonCore     0x903ddd08 PrivateMPEntryPoint + 51
    4   libSystem.B.dylib                  0x90023d67 _pthread_body + 84

    Thread 4:
    0   libSystem.B.dylib                  0x90019d0c select + 12
    1   libSystem.B.dylib                  0x90023d67 _pthread_body + 84

    Thread 5:
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    1   com.apple.Foundation               0x9f8fec60 -[NSConditionLock lockWhenCondition:] + 39
    2   com.apple.AppKit                   0x9d35ecb4 -[NSUIHeartBeat _heartBeatThread:] + 377
    3   com.apple.Foundation               0x9f8a8cfc forkThreadForFunction + 123
    4   libSystem.B.dylib                  0x90023d67 _pthread_body + 84

    Thread 0 crashed with X86 Thread State (32-bit):
      eax: 0x00000000  ebx: 0x283fd88e  ecx: 0x00000027  edx: 0x00000001
      edi: 0x00000190  esi: 0x28ade97c  ebp: 0xbfffb128  esp: 0xbfffb0b0
       ss: 0x0000001f  efl: 0x00010206  eip: 0x283fd8d8   cs: 0x00000017
       ds: 0x0000001f   es: 0x0000001f   fs: 0x00000000   gs: 0x00000037

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  • 04-24-2009 9:17 PM In reply to

    Re: importing pdfs

     chandlerbing. I feel your pain. I deal with this everyday. Adobe has made thing so "easy" and PDF so prevalent that there's a lot of garbage PDFs out there.

    Here are some things I've learned that might help.

    Usually what will cause a crash or failure to PDF (of nested PDFs) is either fonts or colorspaces. Mainly RGB black. ID in particular is a MAJOR offender in this. People don't know to switch the color management off in PDF settings and invariably grayscale shifts to rich black. Or people will use a cruddy font they found off the internet that won't embed (but they don't know that).

    QuarkXPress takes the postscript code inside PDFs and internalizes this code into the stream on print. So, now you have XPress handling the postscript data stream and NOT your output device. Add in the fact that Quark uses JAWS and not the Adobe engine to bring in PDFs and that's not a real good start. XPress handles EPS very differently. EPS is handed off to your output device. You do the math. QuarkXPress processes your PDF, or your output devices processess your EPS file. I know which one I choose.

    Two things I use. One is Pitstop Pro by Enfocus. I can selectively change the things in the PDF that are wrong and fix them. I also use Quite A Box of Tricks which has more of a shotgun approach compared to the scalpel that Pitstop uses, but sometimes a shotgun is the better (faster) tool.

    You might also look in to Flightcheck by Markzware. You can set preflight settings in FC based on what you use in your workflow, drop a PDF on to FC and FC will tell you EVERYTHING about that PDF. The trial is good for 30 days. Seeing close up all that detail might convince you of buying it.

    Finally, it's my standard practice to assume that every PDF I get is bad. I find that I usually find the RGB black, etc. If there is no budget for the programs above, you can still fix things, but it depends on how much time, patience and leeway you have.

    Until I got a hold of Pitstop and QABOT, my manner of working was to open a problem PDF in Illustrator, fix things there and save out an EPS file. Far more work and you have to match fonts, but it's doable.

    One last thing. XPress 7.x will only import Acrobat 5 PDFs without transparency, Which is why downsaving as you do work. It eliminates the transparency. Which also is one of the big things that causes problems. ID again, being a major offender.

    Hope something here helps.

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  • 04-27-2009 7:47 AM In reply to

    Re: importing pdfs

     sorry to be a bit nit-picky but there are a couple of things in Erik's otherwise excellent post that apply to quark6 but NOT quark7.

    EPS are not all handed off to the output device anymore, many are parsed internally by quark the same as a pdf would be, this could be due to colormanagement, which you can't turn off, or transparency in quark, but just be aware.

    I may be wrong on this one too, but, I thought Xpress7 handled transparency in a v1.4 PDF, flattening it on import. (rather than v6's ignore it approach). Until quark releases a version that lets native transparency in and keeps it native upon output I'd still EPS any v1.4 or above.

     

    Fonts really are the biggest headache, I've found Pitstop's (v7 or v8) convert fonts to outline to be a really good start with any troublesome pdf.

    EPS is simpler than PDF which is why it's safer to use in quark. Because EPS doesn't support ICC or transparency, they are removed, using Acrobat to do this uses an Adobe engine, again safer than a third party one.

    PDF's placed in InDesign are handled by the same Adobe Engine (PDF Library) AND you get a Separation Preview so there is a lot more confidence for pre-press users. (Mind you I'm reading about some problems between the Acrobat 9/CS4 PDF Library and earlier software like Acrobat 8,... once again Fonts)

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  • 04-27-2009 11:13 AM In reply to

    Re: importing pdfs

     Glenn, I've been working in v6.x too long. I do believe you are right. In any case, you don't get PDF transparency imported into either v6.x or 7.x. Flattening or ignoring.

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