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 Hi,

I am  registered user of Quark 3.31. I have it running on my Beige G3 running OS 9. I have been given a Dual 1.8Ghz PPC G5 running  OSX 10.3.5. by my awesome employer.

 Can anyone inform me as to whether or not this combination will work? I use it once in a while but have no real need to upgrade.

 

Thanks

Bob

 It will work. It will just run under Classic in OSX. You have two options. You can copy the System folder from from your G3 to the G5 and then set that as your Classic folder and then copy over XPress. Or you can install OS9 from your system disks to the G5 (9.1 minimum) and then install XPress.

If your G5 is not dual boot (i.e., OS9/OSX) then copying the system folder over is going to be your only real option.

Hope that helps.

I thought G5 would not run OS9 any more. Am I wrong?

 Jean-Marie, even if a G5 is not dual boot you can still run Classic on it. Early G5's could dual boot. I don't believe this one can, but as long as a System folder can be copied over it can still run Classic. I think Leopard was the first OS to not support Classic.

My G5 at work is not dual boot, but I run Classic at least once a week for XPress 4.11.

The Mac Pros will also run Classic. You just have to do it using Sheepshaver or PearPC.

My dual-2.0 GHz G5 not only runs Classic, it came with an OS 9.1 install disk as well as the Tiger one. This is from the first generation of G5's to come with Tiger, I waited for that specific bump to the product line and the 10.4 support before buying. So I did not need to copy an OS 9 folder, just installed it on the system which already had 10.4.

 Well, I wasn't quite sure. There for a while Apple had numerous G5 models. By the time they hit dual processors with the G5's they had already started cutting off dual boot. If the OP's G5 is the same then they can boot from an OS9 disc and install. Preferable to copying a System Folder over.

Yep, I know they aren't all the same, but mine came with the disc, somewhat to my surprise. No need to boot off it, either; just insert an OS 9 installer while running under OS X and install away, I believe that should work on ANY G5 regardless of version.

 Cool. I didn't realize that. The G5 my boss bought did NOT come with an OS9 disk. I copied it over, not knowing I didn't have to!

Thanks for all of the help. I'm looking at my manual, and I must have missed it but there is a paragraph on installing classic from the Additional Software  & Apple  Hardware Test disc but there is not much more explanation than insert the disc and go.

After I do this should I drag over the system folder and applications or will this install a OS9 system folder. Sorry, not much to go on.

Thanks very much

 

If the disc has an OS 9 installer you should be able to just run that and install a System Folder at the root (by default anyway, not required) of your hard drive. Then when you go to OS X System Preferences -> Classic, it should find that system folder and let you select it as the Classic environment to use.

I like to keep the Warn before starting Classic option checked, so if I double-click an application or, more likely, a document bound to a Classic app, it will let me confirm I meant to do that before starting Classic. But then, I have not run Classic for several years other than to play old games occasionally. A little Strategic Conquest, some old Shanghai, and once in a while even a 1986 version of Daleks that still runs fine.

 Sorry to be a party pooper but, I don't think quark3.31 will run particularly well under OS9 (or Classic). I was under the impression that OS8.6 was the last OS to run Quark version3. Maybe I'm wrong and all will be OK 

Also the install will require you to insert a floppy disk, hope you'll be ok with that (or a .dmg).

I also didn't think any G5 was ever dual boot, even the last G4 wouldn't boot in OS9. On a positive The G5 should run Classic Ok whilst running OSX from 10.1 thru 10.4.

Once you have a Classic System installed on the top level of the hard drive you should have a special folder called System Folder with an icon containing a 9. If you can copy the folder containing the quark Application across to a folder Called Applications (Mac OS 9) and then figure out which OS7/8/9 Extensions, Control Panels, and Preferences, are essential to quark3 and copy those into the relevant folders inside System Folder. there is a chance it will work, best of luck.

 

Jean-Marie Schwartz:

I thought G5 would not run OS9 any more. Am I wrong?

OSX10.5 dropped support for Classic. Intel Macs running 10.4 also had no support for Classic. 

 

 I don't know how it works on Classic mode, but 3.32r-something or other works up to 9.2.2 on a regular old-fashioned mac. 

Now I have a new Mac with 10.5.8 on this OS9 network, and need to migrate all my Quark 3 stuff to Quark 8. I called Quark asking about upgrading/updating and was told that 8.1 would convert Quark 3 docs.

I downloaded the demo to see if migrating the legacy docs to Q8 would work. I have not been able to do anything with the legacy docs so far.  Any clues or suggestions? Even the simple answer of "no" so I can quit bothering to try?

 If EVERYTHING legacy is going to need to be converted from scratch, then I have to decide whether that's going to happen with Quark or InDesign. I already have InDesign but not in a hurry to even launch it yet (too many problems with AI already)

However, if Quark could at least get the text and pix in (even with anomalies) on most of the legacy files, it would be worth the upgrade price and sticking with it. 

 Learning a new version this far up the scale is a tough proposition regardless... but it's clear what the "kicker" would be for a decision in my case.

 

Thanks in advance for any help :)

 

Hi!

Have you tried the simple method Control-Option-Open via the File > Open route. This would completely rewrite the project into the current file structure. (Provided everything is OK with the original file, and provided the file is on the local hard drive.) HTH.

Hello Jean-Marie:

 I had given this up for the day, but decided to make sure one more time. Tried with the modifier keys (again).

I got an error to the effect that "this document cannot be opened in this version of Quark".

 I looked at the doc icons, I looked at info... realized the icons said "unix executable file", and the resource forks had been busted off.

 So I dug around on the network for a quark doc that hadn't been busted (from OS9) and it converted perfectly (or close enough). No mod keys required.

 Yes, imagine my panic running from machine to machine trying to find that SET of chapter files to a 436pp book that's due for it's 3rd edition and umpteenth printing....  LOL. Even funnier, some months ago we had to manually copy/paste and totally reformat text out of an ancient copy of "ReadySetGo" (if anyone remembers that!) and re-lay it all out in Quark. The layouts were done but for updated text, tweaks, photos and finalized data on new research.

I'm sure you can hear the insane and maniacal laugh from where you sit :)

All is well, the last edited set was found intact. I converted a couple of random docs and other than missing fonts (which, I have handy) it looks perfect (or close enough!)

Quark wins, InDesign goes on the back burner for now. 

I know how to bust resource forks off of files the easy way. Just put them on a non-mac formatted SD card, and move them from an OS9 to an OSX machine...Not that I have any clue of what good that would do anyone!

Thanks for the reply that gave me the little "push" to try again and find the answer I needed :)