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I know that is not a supported option and I realize that is not the best solution and that I can have glitches and problems, but I wonder

1) If Xpress 6.52 runs on Mac Os 10.6 or crashes at star up

2)  If it is usable for simple tasks and printing draft pages

Thansk in advance for any tip

 Here's a snippet of an article I just found on washingtonpost.com,

There are some other notable options in the customized installation window. Rosetta, the technology that enables code compiled for PowerPC chips to run on Intel chips, is available--but is not installed by default. Rosetta only takes up a few megabytes of drive space, and without it older programs simply won't run, so if you have such programs, that option is worth checking. To find out if an App is PowerPC only, select an old app and choose Get Info; if its Kind is listed as Application (PowerPC), it needs Rosetta.

If you don't, and if you later try to launch a PowerPC app, Snow Leopard will pop up a window to explain that you need Rosetta and offer to install it for you (via Apple's Software Update utility). I can only assume that making Rosetta optional is an attempt by Apple to goad users to upgrade their apps and to shame developers who still haven't recompiled their apps to run on Intel chips. But given that most everyday users have no idea which of their apps are Intel-native and which are PowerPC, this seems unnecessarily harsh.

 So, yeah, QXP 6.x will run on Snow Leopard, provided you get Rosetta installed. Rosetta is Apple's PPC to Intel translator. It was first introduced in Leopard for Intel Macs. But, now with Snow Leopard it's not part of a default install. You have to custom install.

Now, will it run well. No idea. Reports were that is was freakishly buggy in Leopard. I'd suspect that it would be even worse if it runs at all, given that Apple is trying to phase out PPC.

And along that line IMO I would not expect to see Rosetta either updated or included in later updates of Snow Leopard.

 Here is that Washington Post article.

Erik Thanks for the reply. I'm using Leopard and Xpress 6.XX with Rosetta on several Intel Macs since 2007 and I had just a few problems (or bugs whatever you want to call them...), none of them so serious to force me to stop using the application daily for tasks as compose simple pages, import and format text e save pages in order to print draft copies. If Xpress 6.52 will work with Snow Leopard as it works now with Leopard for me is enough Unfortunatly only sameone that tested 6.52 with Snow Leopard can tell if this is the situation is the same or worse as with Leopard...

 It would be my guess then that if you have Leopard and get an upgrade disk, make sure that the install specifys Rosetta (if you can). I wouldn't trust the installer to update/keep Rosetta on an upgrade. Apple being Apple, it's more likely to just dump Rosetta on an upgrade versus keeping it. But then, I don't know how the upgrade installer will work. Just something to keep in mind though.

I'm locked in with QXP 6.5 because of an expensive Xtension called Link-Up (£2500 GB !) that I can't afford to uprade (I use 7.3 for non Link-Up documents) and it runs fairly buggy in Leopard, never mind Snow Leopard ! The main issues were fonts and Printer PPDs. Any user experiences of 6.52 problems in Snow Leopard would be welcome before I decide whether to upgrade my OS for the other bells and whistles (and inevitable problems with incompatible printer and scanner drivers!)

 Well, I can't advise you on Snow Leopard and QXP 6.x, but I would say in regards to your copy of QXP 7.3. Have you tried updating to 7.5? This might solve some of your bug issues. If you have an Intel Mac 7.31 was the first version to be certified for Intel.

Updates are free and are here in the downloads section (under Support I think).

 I've scoured the Apple web site but, despite references and pages on Rosetta, can find NO downloads for the app.

 Any suggestions?

 (Running a new iMac with OS 10.6 SL — and 16 years of Quark docs!)

 John

Rosetta is an option on SL installation disk. Look carefully or you'll miss it. Check out Options or Customise box, remember of course to select Rosetta. it's offered down the page.

Fabrizio.F, I'm currently working with an iMac the company purchased this summer with os 10.5.6 and im using Quark 7 because i couldn't install 6.52 Quarkxpress is our primal software, we work in publishing and we makes books, brochures and create pdfs daily. You said your using Quark 6.52 on all your machines with the help of "Rosetta?" without having any major glitches. Do you think i should go back to 6.52 if i install Rosetta on my machine? and do you think i will have any problems? Its sometime a pain to save each time to a lower version so that my coworkers can work on the files,.. And we are getting a new mac soon, so i dont know if i should get Quark 7 for the new computer or me to down size to 6. Your point of view would be appreciate, thanks. Jay

Thanks... found it.

 Now the problem is that nothing happens still when I try loading PPC programs like Quark 6.5.

Is there something I've missed?

 John

Get Info on the application icon. Make sure open in (or with) Rosetta is checked. 

@stratford:

I'd suggest staying with XPress 7.x. There are a lot of issues with Leopard/XPress 6.x. Not to many of them reproducible because the bugs come and go and vary. If it runs expect it to be buggy. And that's with a PPC processor. No telling what you'll get with an Intel processor under Rosetta. But if you do decide to go back to version 6.x, make sure that you open your downsaved files with  6.52. 6.5 or below will crash on opening downsaved version 7.x documents. 

Hi Eric, I've tired reinstalling 6.0 (updating to 6.5.2), trashing Preferences, installing Rosetta (although, as Apple states "won't see a thing"), verifying permissions and only had success by luck getting Quark to open and save and then pressed my luck by restarting to see what I would get. How could it load up literally 1 of hundred times and then come up crashing upon restart? What would you do at this point? All the best, -Dan

Well, my default guess would be to try trashing prefs again. Anything can happen with this OS (I assume Snow Leopard, right?). Given the latest thing happening with the Firewire devices of new iMacs and MBPs and activation of XPress 7/8.x though, I am more inclined to lean toward something regarding activation problems.

 If you don't have one of these new Macs then I don't know exactly what might be the problem. We are starting to get to the limits now of using QXP 6.x on new OSs.

The problem here is that there are just way too many variables to figure out what exactly is the issue. Leopard was bad enough, but Apple seems to have really re-worked SL.

I might just start suggesting to people at this point that PearPC might be a better route. PearPC is an emulator and can run on PC/Mac/Intel Mac. You can emulate a much earlier version of the OS using PearPC which would probably make QXP 6.x happier. Not suggesting this as a solution for you right now, just thinking.

Are you using the standard fonts that Snow Leopard installs? Font issues can lead to crashing too. There was an earlier issue with the standard Apple fonts, SL, and QXP8.x. No idea at this point, just asking questions. 

Fonts, fonts!… 90% percent of the time it's FONTS! I'll make this short with the intent to revisit after I get my 'real' work done! I needed to delete Leopard's system Helvetica!!!!!!!!!! Please let anyone else who has this problem know and let me know your thoughts on this… http://indesignsecrets.com/removing-nonessential-system-fonts-in-leopard.php It worked for me. I replaced the Helvetica system font with my own. Seems to be working fine, for now. Thank you for your attention and all the best, -Dan

Well, I'm glad it's working. Fonts are like puppies with bad owners. You get a mean dog...