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Last post 02-10-2010 6:14 AM by MeHarty. 14 replies.
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  • 11-17-2009 8:53 AM

    • zikan
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    Quark 8 preview resolution

    hi, we switched to quark 8 from quark 6.5, but now having a big problem in our workflow.

    we are creating huge maps in freehand and load this maps as eps into quark layouts. in quark 6.5 the preview was good enough to see details we need to put some extra information on the map in the layout.

    but now, since we use quark 8, the preview is very bad. the following picture shows the differences. the first row shows one sample, the second row another sample.

    first picture in column shows the preview up to version 6.5. in the second column, the eps-preview is created by quark (Preferences->EPS->Generate). The third column shows the preview with the setting EPS->Embedded.

    Any ideas how to increase the quality?difference preview

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  • 11-17-2009 10:52 AM In reply to

    Re: Quark 8 preview resolution

    1. Do you have the Full Resolution Preview XTension installed?
    2. Do you have it activated in the XTensions manager?
    3. Have you selected the image and selected Item>Preview Resolution>Full Resolution?
  • 11-17-2009 12:28 PM In reply to

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    Re: Quark 8 preview resolution

    1. yes

    2. yes

    3. no .. will check this tomorrow at work. but i think, we didn't use full resolution, because this would exceed memory. when I choose full resolution on my pc, I get the error, that there is not enough free space for preview in full resolution ( i translated this from german, because of german quark version)

     

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  • 11-19-2009 4:01 PM In reply to

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    Re: Quark 8 preview resolution

     to number 3: we were not using full resolution preview in Quark 6.5, because this exceeds memory. our maps to big to be displayed in high resolution. so actually, we are speaking about the low resolution preview, that this is to bad...

    Mac OS X
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    Universal Typer Server Pro 2 / UTS Client 2.1.1
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  • 11-26-2009 11:46 PM In reply to

    Re: Quark 8 preview resolution

    Hello Zikan,

    We would be glad to help you with the Preview Resolution Issue.

    Could you please e-mail the image in question to sarbjit@quark.com so that we can analyse it.

    Thank you.

  • 11-27-2009 4:16 AM In reply to

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    Re: Quark 8 preview resolution

     I sent you mail.

    Thank you :)

    Mac OS X
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    www.ehs-verlag.de - Stadtpläne, Stadtplanlizenzen, Mediengestaltung & Druck
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  • 11-29-2009 8:03 PM In reply to

    Re: Quark 8 preview resolution

    I would guess the reason for the low resolution problems you are seeing is down to the following.

    Freehand builds resolution-independent PICT previews for its eps files. In XPress 6.x, these PICTs would be used as the previews in the document layout. In XPress 7.x and following, these PICTs are still used, but their resolution independence is no longer preserved... the image is flattened to 72 dpi at 100% viewing scale. I suspect you need to use Full Res Preview to enhance the preview image and so restore the sharpeness of image that you formerly enjoed with XPress 6.x.

  • 01-22-2010 6:58 AM In reply to

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    Re: Quark 8 preview resolution

    What I don't understand is the fact, why a good working function has been removed :(
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  • 02-08-2010 3:35 AM In reply to

    Re: Quark 8 preview resolution

    I have to say that, even taking account of the full resolution preview option, the preview resolution of  EPS files placed into Quark 8 is much less satisfactory than it was in QuarkXPress 6.

    Although switching on the full resolution preview for the imported files does improve the appearance to a degree, EPS images, particularly those containing text, are still not that clear and are very poor when compared to version 6.

    I hate to say it, but InDesign deals with these EPS files impeccably, with pin-sharp display accuracy every time.

    I'm a long-standing QuarkXPress user and am trying desperately to avoid the temptation of InDesign. However, the display shortcomings of QuarkXPress are a real disappointment for those of us who work with a lot of imported graphic material.

    QuarkXPress clearly still needs some real improvements if it's to hold its ground, and I'd say that this is an area that the Quark developers really need to put some time into sharpening up.

     Can this be done?

     

  • 02-08-2010 8:06 PM In reply to

    Re: Quark 8 preview resolution

    Ahoy MeHarty The problem here is balancing the weights of tech. While a lot of customers use dual core or quad core machines with 4 - 8 Gb of RAM and huge disk space, there are lots of other users happily getting their job done with a much more modest set up. High quality previews come at the cost of greater horse power and larger document sizes. However, having noted that, we are paying attention, and as always, R&D does not stand still.
  • 02-09-2010 5:10 AM In reply to

    Re: Quark 8 preview resolution

    Thanks for the encouraging note, Graham.

    Nevertheless, it seems that, in this case, R&D has gone backwards (which is worse than standing still whilst claiming to move forward--see below).

    Granted, platform and OS revisions must be an ongoing headache for your development team at the best of times, and I remember updating from QXP 6.1 to 6.5 under Mac OSX10.3.9, only to find that OpenType (OT) fonts that ran happily under 6.1 produced PostScript errors when printing from 6.5; so we downgraded back to 6.1 and have been there ever since.

    And I'm still also using a very modest setup myself (PowerMac G4 dual 1GHz with 1.5GB RAM and a couple of 36GB internal SCSI drives running OSX10.3.9) which has been steaming along for years with QXP 6.1 running impeccably. In fact, so trouble-free is this combination that I wouldn't even consider a new all-singing Mac before satisfying myself that the required QXP 8 (and everything else) are up to the task themselves. With this in mind I decided to step up to OSX 10.4, and here's what I found: QXP 6.1 still runs, but no longer displays OpenType fonts accurately on screen (characters actually appear outside of the text boxes at certain magnifications, which makes on-screen editing a nightmare). QXP 6.5 is the same, but I guess these were never certified OT compliant. However, Quark 7 claimed to fully address OpenType font issues, so I downloaded the test drive---surprisingly, the OT display problems still persist even in QXP 7. So I bit the bullet once again and upgraded to QXP 8, and that problem has at last been fixed.

    But back to topic, it seems that the on-screen display of imported EPS files has really gone backwards. Yes, the full resolution preview option under QXP 6.1 used a stack of memory and would occasionally hang the app. But the irony is that even with full resolution preview switched ON in QXP 8, the on-screen display of EPS files is still inferior (e.g. fuzzy text) to that in QXP 6.1; whilst any text in imported EPS files displays pin sharp in QXP 6.1 even with full res. preview OFF; that knocks the socks off QXP 8! And there's nothing more painful than not being able to see clearly what you're doing. (Note: if you're still listening, perhaps we can also have an option to turn off the new picture bounding boxes with those hideoous blobs all around the edges--these are a major on-screen distraction to say the least!)

    As Zikan said, there's a quality here in QXP 6.1 that seems to have been removed in QXP 8, which is surely a backward step.

    I'd like to see Quark regain its market share and kick ID into touch, not least because we're 20 years up the QXP learning curve, so by now QuarkXPress is part of who we are, plus we need to access an archive of Quark-generated publications going back just as long. But progress with QXP seems still to be painfully slow, with basic features that used to work well now becoming broken (another e.g.: after very nearly two years on the market QXP 8 still generates PostScript errors when trying to output master pages), hence we are, for the first time, reluctantly bothering ourselves to evaluate the competition--and thus far I regret to say it's looking very good indeed. 

    With that in mind, it is of great relief to hear that you are indeed 'paying attention', because QuarkXPress 8 still really needs to kick some ass.

    Meanwhile, my QXP workstation back to 6.1 where I can at least churn out some work. If it ain't broke, don't fix it, as they say.

  • 02-10-2010 4:06 AM In reply to

    • zikan
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    Re: Quark 8 preview resolution

    It's "nice" to read, that I'm not the only one who is confronted with this problem. We are currently thinking of using Quark 6.5 to load the EPS files and to position them and then loading the files in Quark 8. But that can't be they way :-/
    Mac OS X
    Quark 8.16
    Universal Typer Server Pro 2 / UTS Client 2.1.1
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  • 02-10-2010 5:35 AM In reply to

    Re: Quark 8 preview resolution

    Hi Zikan. No, it shouldn't have to be that way.

    But QXP 6.1 is still the only version that will handle everything we throw at it without any problems whatsoever, and it flies even on  a G4, so we'll not be using anything else until version 8 is completely fixed - there's absolutely no point in change for change's sake, especially when things no longer work.

    The truth is, I'm a die-hard Quark user and my criticisms are intended to be positive and constructive. For me, QuarkXPress has always been the best, and I want to know that Quark will stil be around in three years' time. But until things work, many folk will be (and are, if you read the forums) taking that time to look at alternative products, which will inevitably place Quark at risk over the longer term. That used to be a worry, because there was never a viable alternative. Now, it would just be a very great shame. Sad

    However, they are listening, so I guess we must remain hopeful ... 

  • 02-10-2010 5:47 AM In reply to

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    Re: Quark 8 preview resolution

    We did not switch to Quark 8 because of innovations or missing features. We could have continued working with Quark 6 for years. But we wanted to use a server based font solution. So, we switched to Extensis Universal Type Server Pro 2. Problem is, it does not support Quark 6. So, in addition to the investment for the server and client software, we also had to upgrade to Quark 8 ... now having a bunch of problems connected to Quark 8 AND to the font management software.

    But at the moment I'm still hopeful, we could solve this step by step...

    Mac OS X
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    Universal Typer Server Pro 2 / UTS Client 2.1.1
    www.ehs-verlag.de - Stadtpläne, Stadtplanlizenzen, Mediengestaltung & Druck
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  • 02-10-2010 6:14 AM In reply to

    Re: Quark 8 preview resolution

    That's a shame. I guess we were lucky: after we'd done enough work in QXP 8 to discover the problems, we moved quickly and back-saved all our work in progress so that we could continue in version 6. And what a relief that is.

    But clearly that is not an option for you and I am sorry you have to work around this particular issue.

    I wish you good luck in resolving your compatibility problems too.

    Keep smiling; things generally get better, eventually.

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