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Last post 10-29-2008 1:30 PM by ampegg66. 5 replies.
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  • 10-26-2008 1:04 PM

    New to Quark, and struggling...

    Without having the necessary funds available to purchase up-to-date versions of the best graphics software, I am still ambling along with Photoshop CS, Paint Shop Pro 9 and QuarkXpress Passport 6.1.I have always found PSP 9 far more intuitive than Photoshop and so have never had any hesitation in using it to create logos and manipulate raster images. However, I have recently been asked to produce a number of items for print and, as PSP 9 doesn't allow you to design in CMYK, I have had to switch my allegiance to Photoshop. And it's not going well. Why they (Adobe) have to make the simplest of tasks difficult is beyond me - with PSP, vectors are the easiest thing in the world to create and alter -  and even completing the most basic tasks is beginning to irritate.

    The work I have been asked to do involves the production of various stationery items, in both Photoshop and Quark format.I have been attempting to create the files in Paint Shop Pro (as manipulating vectors is a piece of cake), convert them to CMYK in Photoshop and then import the final ESP or TIF file into Quark. However, when I do so the image is incredibly small and almost unrecogniseable from the original due to heavy pixelation. I have also attempted importing files created in Photoshop itself, without success.

    Are there specific settings I need when creating the EPS and TIF files in the first place, or am I doing something completely wrong from the start? One of the images I tried to import measured 60mm x 57.4mm @ 300dpi (Quark project measured 95.4mm x 57.4mm), and was nothing more complicated than a purple background with darker purple circles on top. The base purple was created using exactly the same CMYK values as in Quark, yet the colours weren't even close to matching and the pixelation was ridiculous.

    Any help in resolving this problem would be very much appreciated.

  • 10-27-2008 3:57 AM In reply to

    Re: New to Quark, and struggling...

     Regarding the pixelation -- make sure first of all that this is not simply a preview issue.

    How does the project look like when you output it as PDF?

    Also, don't forget that you have some tools that allow you to draw vectorial shapes directly in QuarkXPress. If the element consists in simple geometrical shapes, it might be more effective to draw the shapes in Quark.

    Also consider updating your Quark 6.1 to 6.52 (link) -- it's a free update.

    Manuel S.
    Technical Support Representative
  • 10-27-2008 5:47 PM In reply to

    Re: New to Quark, and struggling...

    As I said, I'm completely new to Quark - is there a way to preview how a document will print in Quark itself?

    As I understand it Photoshop is the ideal software to prepare files in, but I'm predominantly a Paint Shop Pro user and so can't work in CMYK. You can however save an image in CMYK format as a TIF file, files which preview in Windows perfectly. However, when I import the image into an image box in Quark, solid colours become a wild mix of shades and the image is incredibly pixelated (the preview in the import dialogue is also affected).

    I have tried creating the image in Paint Shop Pro, saving as a PSD (maintains layers, but rasterises any vectors) and then converting to CMYK in Photoshop, but the only time that has worked is when I had the CMYK work space set to 'Euroscale Coated v2' in both Photoshop and Quark. But, as I'm completing a project for an American customer, I'm unsure about what work space to use - nothing else seems to work with regard to solving the pixelation and colour issue.

  • 10-27-2008 7:24 PM In reply to

    Re: New to Quark, and struggling...

    If you will send me a file you are having trouble with I'll try and make it work.  We're Windows 7.31 and 8.

     monaco1230@yahoo.com

  • 10-28-2008 4:56 PM In reply to

    Re: New to Quark, and struggling...

    The files are quite large, monaco750.

    The files I created in Paint Shop Pro, and saved as a CMYK TIFF, now look to appear in the correct colour (slightly darker than the RGB version in PSP of course) but are still pixelated. I looked for the full resolution preview function as described in Quark's help section, but can't find it anywhere. Is this the most likely issue?

    If anyone could tell me what the ideal document settings are (I assume all influential items are in the 'edit > preferences' dialogue) I'd be incredibly grateful. As I said I'm using QuarkXpress Passpirt 6.1, working in Paint Shop Pro 9 and saving images as CMYK TIFFs with no compression (I have also tried saving images as PSDs in Paint Shop Pro and converting them to CMYK in Photoshop, before then saving as a TIFF, but without success).

  • 10-29-2008 1:30 PM In reply to

    Re: New to Quark, and struggling...

    Just to be clear, the clarity of an image in Quark's on-screen preview and how it actually prints are two different things. It will NEVER have the clarity or color accuracy on the screen in Quark that it will while working on the file in Paint Shop/Photoshop. Have you printed it, or made a PDF, to see what happens? If it's a hi-res image, and the CMYK percentages of a particular color are the same between Quark and Photoshop, the final output should be OK. If it's not, THEN you've got a problem, but right now this just sounds like "yep, that's the way Quark previews work". Full Res Preview makes the previews better, but not perfect (I think version 6 requires the Full Res Preview Xtension, it was a free download at the time).

    Also, what is it about Photoshop's vector tools that doesn't work for you? Just curious.

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