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THE MEANING OF QUARK

Last post 11-01-2004 11:28 AM by Anonymous. 14 replies.
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  • 11-01-2004 11:28 AM In reply to

    THE MEANING OF QUARK

    "A soft creamy acid-cured cheese of central Europe made from whole milk."

    Serious!! look it up!

    With the recent release of Quark 6, I must say catagorising it with soft cheese seems quite appropriate. And I think the programmers must have been on acid too, although they dont seem to have been cured yet!

    Never before has a piece of software caused me so much grief!!! Indesign is gonna put you under Mr Quark pants!!

    Regards
    HydroMac
  • 11-01-2004 1:05 PM In reply to

    THE MEANING OF QUARK

    HydroMac:
    Indesign is gonna put you under Mr Quark pants!!


    You need to better conjugate your verbs. The capabilities of Quark and InDesign have been known for quite a while now.
  • 11-01-2004 2:02 PM In reply to

    THE MEANING OF QUARK

    I didnt come here for a grammer lesson Jim. And yes I am aware of the period of the 'Indesign/quark capabilities war'.

    Just venting my frustration at such a useless programme.

    How shite is it that if you save over a network, you lose all your text. Its just slack, lapse and downright pathetic. And dont say "well dont save over a network then" cos thats just not feesible. This design studio has always been very streamlined on how our work is saved and archived. And Quark's lack of ability to maintain a suitable standard in its version upgrades just makes it worthy of going in the trash!
  • 11-01-2004 2:52 PM In reply to

    THE MEANING OF QUARK

    [quote:8f983ec9cd]With the recent release of Quark 6


    It's been more than a year that Quark 6 was released. You're probably so cheap you didn't upgrade it until recently...
  • 11-01-2004 3:01 PM In reply to

    THE MEANING OF QUARK

    I can very much appreciate your situation as I am obligated to work with Quark on some projects.

    The correction in grammar would be to change 'is gonna' to 'has'. I am seeing significantly more folks using InDesign instead of continuing with Quark. It is clear that Quark is already going under.

    I am hoping that Quark does not truly flounder as we need competitive design applications. The lack of a good competitor is why Quark had become so soft over the years. We do not need a similar dereliction of innovation to happen with InDesign in a few years. A design application war must continue. As much as I and many other despise Quark's latest offering, we're hoping the situation improves.
  • 11-01-2004 3:03 PM In reply to

    THE MEANING OF QUARK

    HydroMac:
    ...
    How (profanity) is it that if you save over a network, you lose all your text. Its just slack, lapse and downright pathetic. And dont say "well dont save over a network then" cos thats just not feesible. This design studio has always been very streamlined on how our work is saved and archived. And Quark's lack of ability to maintain a suitable standard in its version upgrades just makes it worthy of going in the trash!


    I believe you have hit the nail square on its head there HydroMac. In fact, I took example of your post and wrote GM to gripe about the car they just sold me. I mean, I got this car so that can get to work on time! Why the hell does it get stuck in traffic? Tjis is totally unacceptable, I swear I'll go back to my bicycle!

    On a more serious note, might I suggest you simply quit using Quark as it is seemingly proving do be a huge source of frustration? You don't need this. BTW, if this program is so useless, why did you buy it? One has to do their homework before one make such a purchase. In fact I believe you are more frustrated with you than you are with Quark. I would further suggest you take it to HydroMac's Forums, there, I am sure, they will be able to take care of your problem.

    Hope this helps!

    Michel Lemieux
    Click here --> to visit my PUBLISHING & SCRIPTING FORUM

  • 11-01-2004 7:53 PM In reply to

    THE MEANING OF QUARK

    First of all, quark is one of the few unavailable foreign foods I truly miss in America. Great stuff.

    Quark is also a subatomic partical.

    Quark is also the name of the Ferengi casino owner from Star Trek Deep Space 9.

    So what's your point, again?

    FYI, I haven't been keeping up on ID forums, but I highly suspect that InDesign developers would also highly recommend that you not save across a network. Illustrator and Photoshop, Adobe's other top selling design applications, do not support saving across a network and the forums are filled with stories of disasters which have occured by doing so. Sure you can do it, but expect trouble and plan your backup strategy for when something does go wrong. If it's true that ID is the one application in use that claims perfect stability across all possible network configurations, well, more power to them.

    Yes, Quark does need to make some serious improvements to remain competitive. ID raised the bar. But some of the complaints that get thown about seem to be more stars-in-the-eyes dreams that Adobe will make all problems go away than realistic comparisons.
  • 11-02-2004 8:41 AM In reply to

    THE MEANING OF QUARK

    well, what a lovely bunch of conversationalist's you lot are!

    oooops, sorry, should I have started the sentance with a capital 'W'

    quark sucks
    quark forums sucks

    byeeeeeeee

    last post from me!
  • 11-02-2004 8:03 PM In reply to

    THE MEANING OF QUARK

    Well, who made you judge, jury and executioner? I see a lot of people vent their anger here over Quark...Have you never bought a product and was disappointed and angered that it didn't perform as advertised?
    Quark WAS a good page layout program at one time, but it has constantly gone down hill over the last few years. Quark ACTS like they listen to those who use their product, but they don't...they stick in useless, bloated features no one really cares much about...
    And when somone comes here to let 'em know about it, you come back at them, practically condemning them for even complaining. Sure, they could switch to ID, but if they've bought Quark, they have a right to complain!
    Good grief, get off their backs.

    Now, there....I feel better...my two cents worth.



    Scripting_Ace:

    On a more serious note, might I suggest you simply quit using Quark as it is seemingly proving do be a huge source of frustration? You don't need this. BTW, if this program is so useless, why did you buy it? One has to do their homework before one make such a purchase. In fact I believe you are more frustrated with you than you are with Quark. I would further suggest you take it to HydroMac's Forums, there, I am sure, they will be able to take care of your problem.

    Hope this helps!
  • 11-02-2004 9:01 PM In reply to

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    THE MEANING OF QUARK

    HydroMac:
    How (profanity) is it that if you save over a network, you lose all your text. Its just slack, lapse and downright pathetic. And dont say "well dont save over a network then" cos thats just not feesible.


    It's been reported in these forums that you can go to Layout > Duplicate if you have an afflicted XPress doc.

    You might have seen this reported solution elsewhere on these forums. Does it work for you? It enables you to work on your network and remain streamlined.

    peace,
    Linda Smile
  • 11-02-2004 9:58 PM In reply to

    THE MEANING OF QUARK

    jrbentley:
    Well, who made you judge, jury and executioner?

    Well, it is a self appointed thing really, I would not expect you to understand...

    jrbentley then:
    I see a lot of people vent their anger here over Quark...Have you never bought a product and was disappointed and angered that it didn't perform as advertised?

    Yes , but I managed to either stay civil about it or get a refund.

    jrbentley then:
    ...
    And when somone comes here to let 'em know about it, you come back at them, practically condemning them for even complaining. Sure, they could switch to ID, but if they've bought Quark, they have a right to complain!
    Good grief, get off their backs.

    First, this is a User to User forum, There is nothing WE can do about this kind of problem (Him feeling ripped off), especially considering the tone of his post. Why would we want or need to help someone that has put the application in the trash?

    jrbentley finally:
    Now, there....I feel better...my two cents worth.

    Was it really worth THAT MUCH? I feel ripped off, you'd better come up with patch soon or I will have to ignore your posts!


    P.S. People has to realize that venting off like this in a public forums often produces the opposite effect of their original intention. How did my last comment stike you. I bet its did not prompt you to "revise your ways". You more than likely said to yourself the hell with Scripting_Ace, he doesn't get it! Hey it's OK I am fine with that but having people saying things like: "Quark has been going downhill for years!" added to the fact that they are still using it regardless sends a clear message to Quark: "Don't change a thing, it is still working!". It is much easier to displease someone that spits in your face then someone who is your friend. It's all in the tone really.

    Once upon a time there were Quark technicians regularly answering posts in these forums. The stonecasters shooed then all away and with it went our "regular contacts" with the people that could help us shape QuarkXPress to better suit OUR needs.

    I am not saying these were pefect times, far from it, but they were surely "better" times. Now, wether you have noticed or not, they (the Quark technicians) seem to be returning, so could we please be civilized enough so they'll want to stay and befriend us... again?

    Michel Lemieux
    Click here --> to visit my PUBLISHING & SCRIPTING FORUM

  • 11-03-2004 7:43 PM In reply to

    THE MEANING OF QUARK

    Well, for starters, I continue to use Quark because the man who signs my paycheck insists that that is what I use.....

    Also, your reply was full of spelling and grammar errors. Whew!

    And believe me, I do understand why you appointed yourself judge, jury and executioner, it's just the way you seem to be.


    Smile




    Scripting_Ace:
    jrbentley:
    Well, who made you judge, jury and executioner?

    Well, it is a self appointed thing really, I would not expect you to understand...

    jrbentley then:
    I see a lot of people vent their anger here over Quark...Have you never bought a product and was disappointed and angered that it didn't perform as advertised?

    Yes , but I managed to either stay civil about it or get a refund.

    jrbentley then:
    ...
    And when somone comes here to let 'em know about it, you come back at them, practically condemning them for even complaining. Sure, they could switch to ID, but if they've bought Quark, they have a right to complain!
    Good grief, get off their backs.

    First, this is a User to User forum, There is nothing WE can do about this kind of problem (Him feeling ripped off), especially considering the tone of his post. Why would we want or need to help someone that has put the application in the trash?

    jrbentley finally:
    Now, there....I feel better...my two cents worth.

    Was it really worth THAT MUCH? I feel ripped off, you'd better come up with patch soon or I will have to ignore your posts!


    P.S. People has to realize that venting off like this in a public forums often produces the opposite effect of their original intention. How did my last comment stike you. I bet its did not prompt you to "revise your ways". You more than likely said to yourself the hell with Scripting_Ace, he doesn't get it! Hey it's OK I am fine with that but having people saying things like: "Quark has been going downhill for years!" added to the fact that they are still using it regardless sends a clear message to Quark: "Don't change a thing, it is still working!". It is much easier to displease someone that spits in your face then someone who is your friend. It's all in the tone really.

    Once upon a time there were Quark technicians regularly answering posts in these forums. The stonecasters shooed then all away and with it went our "regular contacts" with the people that could help us shape QuarkXPress to better suit OUR needs.

    I am not saying these were pefect times, far from it, but they were surely "better" times. Now, wether you have noticed or not, they (the Quark technicians) seem to be returning, so could we please be civilized enough so they'll want to stay and befriend us... again?
  • 11-03-2004 8:28 PM In reply to

    THE MEANING OF QUARK

    not to jump to scripting_ace's defense, but please! Picking on him for grammar and spelling errors is ridiculous. You know, not everyone in the world (and certainly not everyone in Montreal) grew up speaking, using and writing english. Or perhaps he was in a hurry and figured, hey, it's not a freakin resume, i'm not trying to win a pulitzer here, why bother going back and fixing all those silly grammar mistakes?

    I think his argument about maintaining civility is very vaild. It does no one any good to fly off the handle in a user forum. Complain to your friends and/or co-workers about how crappy Quark is. Then, when you're all settled down, bring the problem here and see if there are any solutions out there. Whining never solved anything and user forums aren't for "feeling good," they're for solving problems, at least for me.

    So Quark won't let you save over a network and that won't work with your workflow? Don't use Quark then. Either adjust your workflow or use another tool. Sure, it should work but should be and is are worlds different. Get over it and move on.

    If your employer insists that you use Quark and Quark won't work, well, he/she won't be your employer for long because businesses need funtional products to make money. And if it works well enough to make money . . . well, that's all it needs to do. In the grand scheme of things our collective frustraion with Quark is so close to meaningless that it's impossible to tell the difference.
  • 11-03-2004 9:52 PM In reply to

    THE MEANING OF QUARK

    Bravo Scripting_Ace, BRAVO! I am sick and tired of people crying about what ID will do and Quark won't. It's a user-user forum. Don't offer me opinions unless I ask for them. If you have something useful that pertains to my problem, then offer it to me (unless it's Change your platform and/or software).

    I'm sick of all the damn bashing. Keep the forum for useful information only please!

    Thank You again Ace!
    David Hieber
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    Snow Leopard 10.6.8, Quark Xpress 8.5
    Suitcase Fusion 3, CS 5 Design Standard
    MacBook Al - Core 2 Duo 2.0 Ghz, 4 GB RAM
  • 11-04-2004 10:11 PM

    THE MEANING OF QUARK

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    [quote:136a23a860]"davidhieber"
    Bravo Scripting_Ace, BRAVO! I am sick and tired of people crying about what ID will do and Quark won't. It's a user-user forum. Don't offer me opinions unless I ask for them. If you have something useful that pertains to my problem, then offer it to me (unless it's Change your platform and/or software).

    I'm sick of all the damn bashing. Keep the forum for useful information only please!

    Thank You again Ace!"

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    If I go to a sports arena, I expect to see some sports. Quark has produced an inferior product, charged the sky for it, not supported it very well, hardly listened to the users (who seem to be the real beta testers), and then "fix" it with upgrades that don't work as "promised." You better believe there's going to be some "damn bashing" about their product. You enter these Quark forums, get ready for some griping. My personal opinion is, I paid for it and it doesn't perform as advertised, yep, I'm going to complain.
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