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Post by Jim Oblak » 03 Nov 2005, 18:19

Galina is on her third entry regarding Quark and the alleged debate she started.

[strong]Galina Arlov on October 30:[/strong]There is a heated debate currently going on...

There was never any debate. We all seem to agree that Galina was full of it.

I sent a note to Quark's PR department, advising them that the link to a PDF file at the end of Galina's article refuted everything she wrote and was a clear promotion to use InDesign. They replied...

[strong]Jennifer Churchill - Quark Public Relations Manager:[/strong]You're correct that I missed the attached article on the updated link. Although it may cause an additional kerfuffle, I suppose I should take down the article. I trust the coming months will bring many more conversations about the merit of both products--we welcome the prospect.

It is nice to know that Quark can recognize screwy fluff from hack writers and that they know when to step out of a mess.

You would think that Galina knows better. By citing this Quark forum thread in three of her blog entries, she asks her readers to review the evidence of her silliness. Quark did not want to link to her trash; why does she keep this issue going in her blog?

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Post by eyoungren » 03 Nov 2005, 18:29

soupfighter, why does Galina keep picking on you?!

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Post by tomkennedy » 09 Nov 2005, 23:29

Jim, and longtimedesigner. you are just full of it. You're a fraud. You can't be taken seriously. You and your gang are only fakes.

You and your aliases (longtimedesigner, soupfighter, and other support characters in your little theater of the ridicule) write to try and destroy virtually EVERYTHING Quark here in these forums, for many months. You have done so in other threads in this forum and your agenda is to bash Quark and to sell Adobe InDesign to everyone who will listen.

I have read all your posts, and I think everyone should. They are always trying to promote InDesign and tell everyone how bad Quark is. Many people have told you to leave if you don't like the product, but nonetheless, you keep doing your work in the Quark forums, selling InDesign.

Jim Oblak, and your aliases, you are a phony. a fake. A fraud. You don't have a job, or anything worth mentioning. Or do you. Many people have asked you to take responsibility for what you write and post your name, email, phone, job/company and you have refused. You keep saying the same thing: that you are nobody. Yeah, I agree. you are a nobody. You don't have a job, a position, a life. You may not even have a family. you are a fake. If you are for real, then post your phone, email, company, and be willing to be accountable for your nasty comments.

But you aren't going to do it are you. Because in reality you are a no more than a little girlie who is afraid of being held accountable for your many abuses against many users in the Quark community. I can say the same about longtimedesigner, soupfighter, and similar characters that are just the same scum as you are. But if you think that you shouldn't be in this list, just come clean, post your identity and be willing to stand behind your comments like MANY other reputable posters do in this forum!

But we know better. you won't and you can't do it, because you aren't honorable. Since you are fakes, and you are a fraud, why should ANYONE believe any of what you have to say? you are like thieves, who will lie to receive less time for a felony. You'd lie and send your own mother to a jail if necessary. Scum!

You have systematically devoted more than a year and a half (and you created your longtimedesigner alias 24 hours after you created your Jim Oblak handle; soupfighter and others were created very recently to support your charade); to work actively trying to find ways to harm Quark.

You and pariah s. burke, samuel klein or zenkatzen, and the others who are a part of your "team" are involved in a website (which I won't mention to avoid giving you any publicity) that heavily promotes Adobe products, particularly Adobe In Design, and you benefit from the training and sales of Adobe products directly, which you deny. Crook! and you call yourselves unbiased?

Furthermore, your posts and those of your other personalities and friends working with you in this Quark forum are mostly conducive or aimed at pushing and advertising the Adobe InDesign agenda if you have a chance at it, while trying to destroy, humiliate, ridiculize, defame and demoralize anyone who has anything nice to say about Quark. Let's prove it:

http://www.quark.com/service/forums/vie ... highlight=

and:
Quoting Jim Oblak:

Jim Oblak


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Location: Los Angeles Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 2:53 am Post subject:

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Okay, now that I am not on an employer's computer, I can safely browse ratemypoo.com for a good logo:

The image was not appropriate for these forums and has been removed by forum administrator.

(I guess the fecal log did not look like an 'A' enough to suit Quark)

Last edited by Jim Oblak on Tue Sep 20, 2005 3:57 am; edited 1 time in total

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This very thread where you babble incoherences that you can't prove and that in fact you have no idea about, flaming a woman who had the guts to expose some ugly facts about Adobe, is just another proof of your witless and reckless behavior. You even acknowledge elsewhere in your own words that you like to shoot pics of nude gay men, which turns you into a pervert.

Besides, you and your team are all mysoginists and women-haters. That kind of stuff you're trying to pull off here is ridiculous and lets us see the kind of man you are. Recently the big head honcho of a well known advertising company had to RESIGN over his absurd arguments that women are LESS than men.

Can't you find another game to play other than bashing women and whatever they have to say just because they are women? is this yet another part of your twisted personalities? Yeah Jim I think so. You're a degenerate among other things that you are. Only someone who is a pervert like you and longtimedesigner, can go around painting profanity like fcal matter in a forum where you are expected to actually contribute anything helpful. But you are all about obscenity and profanity and being the pervert who you are. How are you going to deny it? is your mind full of the fecal matter that you proposed for the logo?Degenerate. dirty. pervert. Your actions are so absurd, that even writing about them seems unbelievable.I could go on and quote you and your other personalities, every time you have been in other parts of the forum while abusing other people who came to the Quark forums to find answers, or try to contribute to the Quark community.Both you and your longtimedesigner alias devoted yourselves to ridiculize, pervert the ideas and humiliate the posters who created the threads or wrote anything good about Quark. It's a very dirty job that one you guys do... how you and your parade of clowns go around these forums abusing, insulting and in general plotting how to destroy anything and everything quark...backstabbing Quark from INSIDE it's own user community. You try to create chaos, disorganization, and humiliate the Quark user community and anyone who has anything positive to be said about Quark, and at every time, you do so trying to push your Adobe agenda. Hmm.Come to think about it, who might benefit from this long-run campaign of ridicule, bad publicity, and defamation, misquoting, perverting everything that is good in the Quark community? Adobe. You guys think this campaign you are running is going to look good for the Adobe PR??? think again. Shame on you Adobe!Look at this article that you weirdos criticize, for example.Do you have anything for REAL, certifiable, PROVEN other than your ridiculous comments that are entirely unproven and lack any foundations to actually scientifically rebuke the findings made by the writers? You don't. It's all hearsay and fantasy from your desperate minds. Coming from fakes and frauds like you are, it's no wonder that everything you say, here and in all the other threads where you go to wreak havoc among posters, reeks of bullsh*t.You are hereby exposed as the phonies you are. Or are you going to post your emails/phones/companies so anyone can actually write to you and demand an explanation for your demential behavior?I look forward to that.Weirdos!BY the way, yes, this personality was specifically created to DEBUNK you, absolutely for free. I'm sick of you guys abusing the Quark community. Warning to other similar weirdos: I look forward to your mistakes, because I would be more than glad to go ahead and debunk you, too. I invite all the members of the Quark community to read carefully the comments from these individuals and look at the pattern that is obvious there. I saved many of their nasty comments in case they want to erase them, and will repost them here if necessary. just go check out the profiles of these individuals and the look for "find all messages from this person" link. feel free to comment on your experiences with these individuals!Perverts... dare to be a man... GROW UP!

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Post by Jim Oblak » 10 Nov 2005, 09:30

tomkennedy? Who could this be? The only person that I can imagine that would be so long-winded and so personally offended by me would be Galina Arlov.

Hi Galina!

Please note that your article on Quark.com was pulled by the action of Quark, not me. When the article first appeared, I personally wrote the PR department at Quark to advise them that they were promoting a misspelling of their product name on their home page. They fixed that. A few days later I noticed that your article changed and added a pro-InDesign PDF article link at the bottom. I again advised Quark PR that there were problems with your article and they yanked it from quark.com. (apparently they did not like the InDesign promotion)

You are your own worst enemy in this. I was simply looking out for Quark marketing. If I really hated Quark, I would have let Quark embarass itself by maintaining the link to your pro-InDesign PDF file.

This link at the bottom of your article is what caused your problems:

http://www.nwou.org/nwouReviews/Year200 ... S_0501.pdf


EDIT: ATTN - Quark Forum Admins,
I noticed that you were kind enough to yank tomkennedy's other duplicate posting as another thread but please leave tomkennedy's post above. I am not offended. It is supreme entertainment to see Galina Arlov so bent out of shape for her own problems.

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Post by jonesy17 » 10 Nov 2005, 11:15

[strong]Jim Oblak:[/strong]EDIT: ATTN - Quark Forum Admins,
I noticed that you were kind enough to yank tomkennedy's other duplicate posting as another thread but please leave tomkennedy's post above. I am not offended. It is supreme entertainment to see Galina Arlov so bent out of shape for her own problems.

The other thread you refer to was yanked at my request; I didn't think it appropriate to attack someone so publicly in what is supposed to be a friendly user-to-user forum. Now that I've read your reply here, though, I may have been presumptuous in asking Quark to remove the thread; perhaps that really should have been your call, and clearly you don't mind if it remains.

Robert

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Post by Jim Oblak » 10 Nov 2005, 13:23

Thanks - I really don't mind if Galina's rant stays or goes. I just wanted her to realize that her nonsense above insults her own reputation and intelligence. I would be embarrassed to have typed such silliness and would not want that to remain on the record.

I guess I should feel flattered that Galina has feelings for me.

It is disturbing that Galina maintains a reference to this thread in her own blog titled 'Quark Forums Heated Debates!', yet proceeds to make an infinite fool of herself here. That is really poor marketing.

If she wants to demonstrate professionalism, I invite her here to provide substance, not insults. Whether she is insulting another application to make Quark look better or if she is insulting us to make herself look better... neither is a good way to win any debate.

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Post by willmark » 10 Nov 2005, 13:48

[strong]Arlov:[/strong]Thank you for your response to our article. Some more flattering than others.

As to whether we were paid by Quark to influence the industry against InDesign, I suppose we could use the money but we werent asked by anyone to make the comparisons we did. We are just sick of companies like Adobe and Microsoft trying to influence the market with overly expensive bundles and misleading advertising. So, we decided to do something about it by writing our own article to clear up whatever misconceptions Adobe advertising has created by touting InDesign as a better, system than Quark. The fact is, in six years of trying, InDesign, like its predecessor Pagemaker, runs a distant second to Quark Express in design simplicity and popularity and nothing we have seen changes that opinion.

Umm what? What alternative universe is this?

If anything InDesign CS2 is competing against Xpress 4.1, as is Xpress 5, 6 and 6.5. Xpress "was"/might of been the de-facto standard, by default, there was nothing else competing with it. And to keep implying that Xpress (all versions) in general is the industry standard is at best disingenuous and at worst flat out wrong. And as to the industry standard claim Please show me the documentation, data, etc that proves such a claim. Most widely used at one time, and you might have an argument. Until then this is simply nothing more than a puff of hot hair, as much as Quark7 mind blowing features remain so much vaporware.

One application (InDesign) is literally kicking the crap out of an entire company (Quark). Need proof? Look no further than the new, and improved image Quark is trying foist on us. If Quark was in their dominate postion that they had been in there is no way they would be expending such efforts to convince everyone they are not only the greatest thing since sliced bread, but they also invented sliced bread, the bread, the wheat/grain/rye (or however you like your bread).

Some may chose to have the wool pulled over their eyes, but please dont question those of us with brain for questioning not only the motives but content of said blog. Pulling out the You must work for Adobe card is not only laughable, but predictable as well.

I for one wont shed to many tears at Quarks demise; Quark had this coming for years. Now as to whether or not Adobe or Micro$ deserved the flack to Ill agree with Micro$... I like many still have a few licenses kicking for the odd job that comes in, but that's all. Quark is going to have to work really hard if I'm to abandon my recent install of the CS2 suite for my users.

Quark still has a long way to go. I think you in your article, and Quark as a company still have no clue as to how much Quark is reviled. And how much Adobe is looked upon with kind words, for at the bare minimum not being an overly antagonistic company towards the very customers that built them. And at least being the real deal.

(Edited for spelling)

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Post by eyoungren » 10 Nov 2005, 14:09

Hey Jim, I posted a reply to that post that got deleted with the qualifier of "Before Quark deletes this post...". Just wanted to let you know that it as well as the same one farther up this list is just wrong. The forums aren't an arena for personal attacks; we come here for information, not diatribes.

The poster didn't bother to mention all the helpful posts you've made!

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Post by willmark » 10 Nov 2005, 14:12

Tomkennedy:

1) Hmmm one post and its a rant? Yeah I'll listen to that...

2) Ranting about creation dates of people's accounts being set up? Do you have any idea how idiotic that statement looks? Do you not realize that many of the long timers from the old Quark forum, of which Jim and I are two of them all spread the word once the forums were back up after Quark had removed them for 1 years. Hence everyone having similar creation dates that have high post counts (in essence the regulars coming back).

3) Funny thing in regards to point #2 I dont remember seeing you there.

4) While I dont know Jim personally if you actually read his posts rather than some semi-amusing diatribe you actually see that he does speak the merits of both. Its simply that many of us longtime users & longtime forum members refuse to be fooled by Quark again.

5) Lastly your outburst is really not serving anything other than eating up bandwidth. Do you truly think that anyone here on this forum regardless of wether they prefer QuarkXPress or InDesign can take you seriously now?

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Post by longtimedesigner » 10 Nov 2005, 15:10

:roll:

"Tom" or whoever you are,

Have you ever considered switching to decaf, and instead of sugar, putting about 80 mgs of Valium in your coffee?

I just thought I'd try and be of assistance.

Really. That knot in your knickers is a little tight. Loosen it up a little.

If you keep this up, you'll be seeing all sorts of little men in lab coats swarming around you. You can call them willmark, and jim, and whatever else you want. They won't mind. I promise.

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