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Posted: 22 Sep 2005, 13:59
by jonesy17
At the risk of getting my own head blown off in this, may I suggest that the way this thread has degraded only serves to enforce the notion that the Quark forums should have moderators. This has gone beyond being helpful to just plain petty, nasty... and pointless. I can't believe I read most of it. :(

Robert

P.S. This is one of those posts that makes me glad I don't get notified by Quark when a reply is posted. Quite frankly, I don't care to read any more on this "topic".

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Posted: 22 Sep 2005, 14:32
by longtimedesigner
The drama queen wrote:

[quote:ae4f71bafe]BTW (Scott is it?) wich one of these clowns is you?

None. My name isn't Scott. You're not that good.

Why do you keep trying to make it so personal, scripting_queen?

Did your feelings get hurt that badly?

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Posted: 22 Sep 2005, 14:37
by Scripting_Ace
[strong]longtimedesigner:[/strong]The drama queen wrote:

[quote:bde2de06c9]BTW (Scott is it?) wich one of these clowns is you?

None. My name isn't Scott. You're not that good.

Why do you keep trying to make it so personal, scripting_queen?

Did your feelings get hurt that badly?

You're right I apologize, stupidity always have that effect on me!

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Posted: 22 Sep 2005, 14:39
by longtimedesigner
[quote:74b8c371ff]You're I apologize, stupidity always have that effect on me!

I've been watching you effect yourself for a week now.

"Stupidity always have that effect on you?"

You might also want to watch your grammar if you want to come off as an "intelligent book publisher." It's been way off in many of your posts.

Keep crying!

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Posted: 23 Sep 2005, 07:21
by willmark
Here is my take from last year on one of the first Sofa topics, (I'm too lazy to scroll back through the forum to look for it this am), after an overly enthusiatic Quark employee "dropped in". Feel bad too since she was very pumped about the new Quark, and the sharks were hungry:

[quote:d6f8539bc6] So in others words: "Now that Adobe is kicking the crap out of us, and for the first time designers have a viable choice in the arena of DTP, we are finally going to listen to our customers. No, really, this time we will, no really, we really, really mean it this time, honestly".

Sorry for so much sarcasm (Im very sarcastic by nature but thats another topic altogether), but I think you are going to find two things in these statements:

1) Many of the long timers who have even bothered to return here (myself included) are going to be highly skeptical of any claims that Quark makes. We have heard these statements in the past. Getting burned repeatedly tends to hurt after one too many times. Many like me have finally had enough, and moved many users to InDesign.

2) Those that are beyond skeptical have moved to InDesign and most likely will never be coming back. Quark really didnt think this one out to well. DTP is perhaps the most passionate topic in all of computing and add to this the former CEOs diatribe about The Mac is dying (Tied for first as the most volatile debate in computing) and you have a lot of extremely POed people out there that are finished with Quark. Quark 6.5 and 7 is going to have to be full of great and wonderful features besides Quark 6s feats of running natively in OSX and an under strength PDF engine for many people to even look at it. Add to the fact that 6 followed the extremely worthless 5 and many people are left wondering whether Quark's best days are behind. And this is coming from someone who, while very sarcastic is about the most optimistic person you can find. I'm very much a glass is half full type". These problems are not tied to just the Mac either. I know plenty of people who have moved from quark to InDesign on the PC as well.

3) I will say this it does sound strained to me that at long last Quark is finally listening to its customers. A company on a downward spiral, suddenly finding that it should have listened to its customers all along? Why did it finally take Adobe listening to Quark's customers and delivering a product that they had been asking the better part of a decade for to get Quark to even think about the same?

I wish Quark well in some respects. On one hand though the problems that Quark is now enduring are entirely of its own making.
To paraphrase from the movie Cold Mountain: They made the rain, then stand in the rain and say Well, shoot, its raining.

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Posted: 24 Sep 2005, 10:23
by grmgroup
Michel: Valid complaint about QX bashers not saying what's better in ID. Here goes:

Better in ID: typography-ID has a far better type engine. No more -3 kerning to get text to read smoothly.No more text or picture boxes. You can place an image, delete the image and start typing! Transparency, feathering and drop shadows w/o need of plug-ins. Ability to alias ink colors to one plate (reduces need to edit AI files in a pinch when you get the art that's 302CVC, 302U abd 302C). You can copy and paste AI elements right into ID and they are editable. I do bus cds for plumbers, contractors, painters, etc all the time. Now I open ID library, drag icon to layout and color it in ID. The first time I was able to complete a job w/o having to go in and out of AI or PS, I was sold. A job that would have taken 2 hours in QX going in and out of AI/PS repeatedly took hour and a half in ID. With profit margin erosion rampant in this industry, any way you can preserve or improve profit margin is essential. The print window in ID is better too. More options when exporting a PDF. Ability to use PS clipping paths in ID.

Better in QX: use of master pages more intuitive. The page palette is better too. QX is more intuitive about updating images. If you move a folder with images in ID, you have to link each one individually. A real killer in a long doc. What's even more annoying, even if you use the same logo 40 times, you have to relink each use of it if you move the folder. In QX, once you relink the first image, QX prompts you that other images are in the same folder.

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Posted: 24 Sep 2005, 22:24
by Jim Oblak
[strong]grmgroup:[/strong]If you move a folder with images in ID, you have to link each one individually.

I've never experienced this.