Fonts in 2018

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Fonts in 2018

Post by shaun » 17 May 2018, 03:53

Attached screenshots show the font usage in Qk 2017 and how Qk 2018 shows the same information.
In some cases the 2017 fonts are changed to Bold and marked with the small triangle.
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Re: Fonts in 2018

Post by shaun » 17 May 2018, 03:57

And a second pair.
Surely Qk 2018 should not be showing the font as, e.g. Lydian Bold "Bold" but as Lydian Bold "Plain"?
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Re: Fonts in 2018

Post by Sirish Nair (Quark) » 17 May 2018, 07:59

Hi shaun,

The font enumeration behavior and the display of fonts in the font menus has been changed in QuarkXPress 2018. Prior to QuarkXPress 2018, fonts were not mapped to their font faces (type style buttons in the measurement palette/ character style sheet reflect the font face of a font). Even if you applied a Regular/ Bold/ Italic font, the font was not mapped to the font face. So you could either apply Lydian Roman font and then press Bold type style, or directly apply Lydian Bold font, in both cases Lydian Bold font would get applied on the text. There used to be a single font menu and font styles were displayed in the font family submenu using their font ‘Full Name’.

In QuarkXPress 2018, there are two menus for fonts- font family menu and font style menu. Font family menu displays all the font families and font style menu displays the available font styles for the selected font family. The fonts are displayed using the font family name and font style name. Font styles are now mapped to their corresponding font faces. (i.e. corresponding type style button will be selected). Font styles like Bold, Black, Heavy, Semi Bold, SemiBold Condensed- all contain Bold font face (hence bold type style button will be selected). Font styles like Regular, Plain, Normal, Light, Semi Light, Condensed- all contain Plain font face (hence plain type style will be selected). Font styles like Italics, Oblique, Condensed Italics – all contain Italics font face (hence italics type style will be selected). There are some fonts whose font style name and their corresponding font face don’t match. Like Impact –Regular font has font style ‘Regular’ but has a Bold font face.

If a font family doesn’t have a font style having a Plain font face, and the user applies Plain type style then font style field will display as blank.

If a font family doesn’t have font styles having Bold / Italics/ Bold Italic font face and the user applied Bold / Italics/ Bold Italics type styling, then faux styling will be applied be applied on Bold/ Italics/ Bold Italics (which will be indicated with faux style warning icon) and the font style field will display as blank.

You can always refer to the Apple’s own text Edit application which has a similar behavior- i.e. it has font family, font styles and type style buttons and font styles are mapped to font faces (type style buttons).

On opening a legacy version project in QuarkXPress 2018, font information in the document will map correctly to the new font display behavior. The fonts will mapped to their font families, font styles and font styles will mapped to their corresponding font faces (corresponding type style buttons will be selected).

Many font families have more than one font style which are mapped to a particular font face (like SemiBold, Bold, Bold Condensed, SemiBold Condensed, Heavy font styles are mapped to Bold button (font face)).
You can select any of these styles from the font styles menu. But, while changing a font style using the type style buttons, it can only map to one font style. On applying bold or italic font face to a font style or while removing a font face where multiple styles for same font face are available, we map to the first available font style for that face (per ascending order).
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Re: Fonts in 2018

Post by UtahLlama » 17 May 2018, 08:46

I'm not sure Quark should be emulating Apple's Text Edit which is hardly a DTP.
If you backsave 1 version, I can only imagine this will translate badly :?: :roll: :?:
oooh...Or what if backsaving and moving between Mac and PC... with google fonts :twisted:
I predict confused users, but its done now and changing it again would be even more confusing... noooooooo :lol: :cry: :lol: :cry:

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Re: Fonts in 2018

Post by Sirish Nair (Quark) » 17 May 2018, 09:05

Hi Utah,

We aren't emulating Text Edit behavior. Text Edit is an application which offers a similar kind of font enumeration: Font families, font styles and type style buttons (to map to font face). It can used as a reference to understand the new behavior.
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Re: Fonts in 2018

Post by Jiri Melnicky » 17 May 2018, 09:45

Importing the same IDML file (CS6) - the fonts used are installed:
QuarkXPress 2017 - IDML import - fonts OK.
QuarkXPress 2018 - IDML import - Reports missing fonts (specifically google fonts).
Unfortunately, when importing from IDML in the "Replace Font" dialog box, there is no option to choose: Italic, Bold, Bold Italic :(
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Re: Fonts in 2018

Post by shaun » 17 May 2018, 10:50

Hi Sirish,
Thank you for the explanation, but I regret I find myself confused by it all.
Maybe it's just old age, but how can I be sure that (eg) Optima "Bold" is actually the optima Bold font, previously shown as Optima Bold "Plain"?

Anyway, I attach two more examples to show the difference - in a case where 'bold' has been applied unnecessarily. I have to go to the character choices and deselect the B for those fonts marked with the triangle.
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Re: Fonts in 2018

Post by UtahLlama » 17 May 2018, 15:05

Hi Jiri
are you double sure fonts are installed for quark 2018, just thinking that Suitcase won't have a working XT, so you'd have to install the fonts then fire up q2018 then try to convert. Also InD can pull fonts from non standard places with priority going to the non standard places.

Sorry about the google fonts, I only mentioned those because couple of years back had to outline them in pdfs to get the things to render to plate.

slightly off topic but I had to open up a docx in Apple Pages the other day and had very similar font confusion replacing fonts with similar /same names that I already had installed, here too the confusing Name Vs Style.
20 years ago I'd be doing this stuff all day to get customer quark files to flow properly, but since InDesign introduced "Document Fonts" I've got used to it being less confusing in pre-press.

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Re: Fonts in 2018

Post by Sirish Nair (Quark) » 18 May 2018, 00:05

shaun wrote:Hi Sirish,
Thank you for the explanation, but I regret I find myself confused by it all.
Maybe it's just old age, but how can I be sure that (eg) Optima "Bold" is actually the optima Bold font, previously shown as Optima Bold "Plain"?

Anyway, I attach two more examples to show the difference - in a case where 'bold' has been applied unnecessarily. I have to go to the character choices and deselect the B for those fonts marked with the triangle.
Hi Shaun,
If you open a font in a Font editor like Font Labs or High Logic Font creator, you can verify the font face of a font style. Alternatively, you can use an application like Apple' own Text Edit application to the font face of a font style

Kindly share the QX 2017 and QX 2018 projects along with the fonts which are illustrated in the attached screenshots.
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Re: Fonts in 2018

Post by Gurtej Singh » 18 May 2018, 00:22

Jiri Melnicky wrote:Importing the same IDML file (CS6) - the fonts used are installed:
QuarkXPress 2017 - IDML import - fonts OK.
QuarkXPress 2018 - IDML import - Reports missing fonts (specifically google fonts).
Unfortunately, when importing from IDML in the "Replace Font" dialog box, there is no option to choose: Italic, Bold, Bold Italic :(
Hi Jiri,
Could you please share some more information so that we can analyse it further.
Are you using any font management utility like Suitcase?
Are these fonts listing in Font field in a newly created project in QXP 2017 and QXP 2018.
Please also share the IDML project along with fonts. You can mail me to at gursingh@quark.com
Do you want a font style menu or Type style button in the “Replace Font” dialog?

Thanks,
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